The 'Official' Big Brother thread

yea...

I wonder if we're going to have the first BB death with Ken Russell...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001692/

Jermaine Jackson , Danielle Lloyd (wag), Ken Russel swearing ,Jo O`Meara (s club 7), Leo (big hair) Sayer(real name Gerard lol), Shilpa Shetty (bollywood), Carol Malone (columnist), Donny Tourette, Ian H Watkins(says he is a knob), Cleo Rocos(kenny everett side kick), Dirk Benedict (Face)

*duplicate

He's Hammered!!!

I think I like Jo the most so far.

She's the most normal.

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I can see why they brought Donny Tourette on after 9pm.

Oh dear god

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Where`s the Hofmeister or is it every reality show he is tipped to be going in ;)

From the ghetto of Buckinghamshire, too. Regrettably, he'll probably be quite entertaining for a while, until the constant exposure means he has to drop the act for a while and reveal himself to be a nice middle class boy pretending to be one of his heroes

I'm hoping that Lauren bird who used to be the little boy who was an antique expert is on there. And of course The Hoff :oD

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Tourette to win!

Then Towers of London can make another album. And play Cambridge again. And get arrested. Hurrah!

Apparently 'H' came out today. That was a big surprise.

H has come out? Worst kept secret evah!!

Has he been locked away by public demand? ;)

Fantastic! Cleo Rocos!

YAY! It's Face :oD

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*A Team* Van lol Face with Danielle haha

for fuck sake barryellascott you fucking retard i hate big brother fucking hate it you shouldget a life.at least on wan the laughs and friendships that develop are genuine.please everyone boo and hiss baza for starting this evil thread and stop talking about fucking bigfucking brother .

You seem a big fan of Pete from last big brother with all the expletives lol ;)

Better in one thread than many bigmal, YOU RETARD! Think about it...*pulls joey face at bigmal for being so thick*

Not a big fan of punctation, it seems, though.

Are we all contained in this thread only the loyal allowed.

So, Donny in the house eh, great for exposure I guess but fuck me talk about credibility shot to pieces. And I say that as a big fan of the band.

Is it me though or is UK TV now just total and utter shite? If get asked to text one more programme to vote for something I couldnt give two shits about I swear I will lose the plot.

I'm also awaiting comment from Mr S. Baker on Mr Tourette - Si, guess ya wont be voting for him? ;0)

fucking hey fucking dagg fucking dont get me fucking started fuck cunt bollocks twat .anybody that enjoys utter shite that is big brother needsput up against a wall and fucking have petrol poured over them then shot.

So, Donny in the house eh, great for exposure I guess but fuck me talk about credibility shot to pieces. And I say that as a big fan of the band.

I wasn't aware they had any. I thought it was a given that they were a cartoon rock and roll band and that a lot of the attitude is play acting. Even by the fans

I feel sorry for Jermaine. Seems he doesn't know who anyone is :D

>>fucking hey fucking dagg fucking dont get me fucking started fuck cunt bollocks twat .anybody that enjoys utter shite that is big brother needsput up against a wall and fucking have petrol poured over them then shot.

But still you keep coming back to this thread to read about it ;o)

bigmal - fuck off from this thread immediately. You know you were telling us about your annoying mate who keeps making you jump - don't become that here by whinging on about it. You're annoying me already!

for fuck sake please barryella scott delete this thread please i will be your gimp wash your car and shave your legs.please for the sake of my sanity delete,delete,DELETE

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so what about this family that is going to be put in then?

Any guesses?

Addams Family perhaps!

"thought it was a given that they were a cartoon rock and roll band and that a lot of the attitude is play acting."

Who cares...they're hilarious to watch! The Towers gig at APU was awesome.

for fuck sake please barryella scott delete this thread please i will be your gimp wash your car and shave your legs.please for the sake of my sanity delete,delete,DELETE

no way bigmal!

MWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

JESUS i,m off to the pub

Family? I heard it was Jade Goody's, dear god.

Should be fairly armless then

Yeah, I agree bigmal, get off the thread if you're just gonna whinge.

Here is a pic of Jade just for bigmal.

I've already started betting woop woop

This wasn't one of the best opening nights I thought - no huuuuge suprises, most of the people who went in had been rumoured anyway. I agree that Jo seems nicest so far. That WAG girl just seems young and shy and a bit dumb. The bollywood woman is beautiful, but I think will turn out pretty spoiled? I loved the way Leo Sayer knew Donny Tourette, and said "oh yes, a Buckinghamshire boy" or something.

I agree that it's likely to be Jade and family (her Mum's pretty scarey) coming in later on.

Hurrah - the freak show begins!

Jermaine Jackson - confused/terrified
Danielle Lloyd - quite thick
Ken Russel - rather mad
Jo O`Meara - seems very nice
Leo Sayer - deluded/irritating
Shilpa Shetty - ambitious
Carol Malone - vile parasite
Donny Tourette - twat/fake
Ian H Watkins - bearable
Cleo Rocos - bouncy/likeable
Dirk Benedict - not Mr T

I'm loving it already!

I liked Jo and Dirk best on first impressions. Tourette to DIE

fucking hell, they've started talking about it at work already.

and on here, too. you fucking peasants.

i've said it before and i'll say it again - contaminate the water supply with lsd, lock all the doors and set the house on fire. i'd watch that.

*wanders off to pretend to be above it all by burying himself in his charles dickens books what he got for chrimble*

It's my ONE reality TV weakness :(

no no NO! I vote for itchy's idea.

Not unless you burn everyone and everything to do with X Factor first.

Come on WANers, give in - these things are guilty pleasures!

Having said that, I've been forced to watch High School Musical at least 10 times over the last couple of weeks so have become desensitised to crap.

Not unless you burn everyone and everything to do with X Factor first.

that could be arranged...

How can you lot being going on about this already? Its become a horrible travesty used to wring every last drop of cash out of teenagers parents post-Xmas via the medium of text voting. Appart from anything else who the hell cares about these people?

Ohhhh it's just voyeurism isn't it. Without wishing to get too pseudo-psychological about it, I like watching the dynamics between people when they're forced together, and deciding who I like and don't like. And it's all amplified when they have celebrity egos.

i can't believe people actually moan about it! It's not going to change anything, and at least if we keep it to one thread on WAN moany waners can avoid it. Ya here me bigmal? Good, at least he's fucked off outta here...

Anyway, Cleo or Ken to win, cos they're the one's i've placed bets on!

It's not going to change anything

quite! Unlike bloody X Factor clogging up the charts with their fecking SHITE.

Can you bet on Ken to die or at least have a heart attack while he's in there?

or did you mean the moaning's not going to change anything... either way...

Exactly - I don't really give a toss about any of the people taking part but watching the madness unfold is always hugely entertaining. Aren't you looking forward to Ken Russell discussing directing techniques with Danielle Lloyd?

How much do you stand to win BS?

Katemac that's not fair I was rather fond of the McDonald Brothers.

X factor hasn't changed the charts at all. They have always been full of manufactured pop, that's what they're for.

Yeah I meant the moaning Mac...but you were right too..

I'm thoroughly looking forward to all of it! I'm only placing small bets but I will place a few more before the end. So far I've put £2 on Cleo and Ken at 8/1 and 16/1 respectively. I think I'll spend a tenner max so i'll see how it all develops. It's horribly easy to bet online!

I don't really give a toss about any of the people taking part but watching the madness unfold is always hugely entertaining.

the good doctor provides us with a startingly different definition of the word "entertaining", for which we give humble thanks.

X factor hasn't changed the charts at all. They have always been full of manufactured pop, that's what they're for.

But without it we might not have had moronic pointless ballads as the Christmas Number One for the last two years! They're going down in history!

I'm surprised anyone watches X Factor past the auditions. That's the only entertaining bit for me.

But without it we might not have had moronic pointless ballads as the Christmas Number One for the last two years! They're going down in history!

Because we never had moronic pointless ballads for christmas number one before????!!!

Danielle Lloyd has caught a glimpse of Ken Russell`s ballbag, hope Teddy Sheringham doesn`t get jealous ;)

of course not, but at least some of them were Christmas related and they weren't JUST there because of some bloody stupid "talent" show whose contestants then proceed to disappear into total obscurity.

Last night I found that my new drum machine can replicate the horrible descending windchime percussion effect used on East 17's 'Stay Another Day', to back you up without having to not talk about the tedious minutae of my life.

No one told me, I would have cancelled my night shift.....
I MISSED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!............... :{ :{
Is it repeated today?
Am I up in time

of course not, but at least some of them were Christmas related and they weren't JUST there because of some bloody stupid "talent" show whose contestants then proceed to disappear into total obscurity.

1969 Rolf Harris - Two Little Boys
1980 St Winifred's School Choir = There's No One Quite Like Grandma
1993 Mr Blobby - Mr Blobby
2000 Bob The Builder - Can We Fix It?

http://www.everyhit.com/christmasnumber1.html

Let's play 'guess how many names you've heard of before 1961' :-)

1969 Rolf Harris - Two Little Boys

that is a fucking GREAT record, despite the thatcher connection.

rolf harris is god.

Those are novelty records, which is an entirely different matter :P

How? Noel Edmund's House Party wasn't exactly far above pop idol was it? That sprouted Mr. Bloody Blobby...:p

*realises what 'bloody blobby' sounds like*

*scarpers*

It's Christmas! Silly songs are allowed! Drippy generic cliched non-Christmas-related ballads are not!

anyway, Mr Blobby had that bird from Shakespeare's Sister (or was it both of them) in it, which makes it credible ;)

Wow, did you know that Mr Blobby was also the first eponymously titled UK number 1 single. How interesting

*refers back to list*

Drippy non Christmas songs:

1960 Cliff Richard & The Shadows - I Love You
1977 Wings - Mull Of Kintyre / Girls' School
1992 Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You
1994 East 17 - Stay Another Day
1995 Michael Jackson - Earth Song
1996 Spice Girls - 2 Become 1
1997 Spice Girls - Too Much
1998 Spice Girls - Goodbye

Drippy Christmas ballads of no discernable musical merit:

1984 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
1988 Cliff Richard - Mistletoe & Wine
1990 Cliff Richard - Saviours' Day

Accept defeat Ms. Mac! Christmas number ones have pretty much always been shite!

None of THOSE were one-hit wonders cynically created by a crappy TV show!

I will never accept that ANYTHING is worse than an X Factor contestant, except for Westlife.

and even they're pretty much on a par, right down there at the bottom of the barrel of evil turds that must be destroyed

Wasn't it that Mr Blobby was unmasked as being an unemployed Shakesperian actor rather than it being Marcella Detroit or the Bananarama person in the costume.

None of THOSE were one-hit wonders cynically created by a crappy TV show!

They're not one hit wonders, but Girls Aloud were in one of the talent shows. Also Mr. Blobby and Bob the Builder are practically definitions of "one-hit wonders cynically created by a crappy TV show".

Now conceed defeat or meet thy doom...

Who, over the age of 12, really cares what's in the pop charts?

They're not one hit wonders, but Girls Aloud were in one of the talent shows. Also Mr. Blobby and Bob the Builder are practically definitions of "one-hit wonders cynically created by a crappy TV show".

But they're not boring drippy ballads. We're going round in circles here :D

Spiralled off on a tangeant, this is a big brother thread.

Sadly, in 1995 Mr Blobby had a second hit entitled "Christmas In Blobbyland" but it only got to 36. Bob The Builder got to the very top again with "Mambo No.5" - shocking!

Yeah, you ignore the fact that christmas number ones have an unusually high occurrence of being either one hit wonders/slushy ballads/novelty singles (or all the above) and i point out you're wrong :P

You know i'm right :-)

I'm saying that nothing is worse at Xmas #1 than a dreary ballad which has nothing to do with Christmas reeled off by some wannabe who has just won a completely pointless TV show, never to be seen again. Other songs may have some of those elements, but not all.

Anyone would think you were an X Factor fan, Simon... do you sit there furiously texting away on final night ;)

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nothing, unless they've come from a reality TV show :)

Anyone would think you were an X Factor fan, Simon... do you sit there furiously texting away on final night ;)

I'm pretty good at avoiding all of big bro, x factor, pop idol etc.

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but it's nice :( you just don't get the classics these days

*awaits Christmas-song-hating brigade*

Maybe we should get back to Big Brother...

good to see t6hat SIR cliff richard is being talked about
.
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even on the OFFICIAL bog brother thread

*realises kate knows she's lost*

*cackles*

never!!! I maintain my previous statement. X Factor to be banned immediately

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I maintain my previous statement.

Which one? You made lots...

I'm saying that nothing is worse at Xmas #1 than a dreary ballad which has nothing to do with Christmas reeled off by some wannabe who has just won a completely pointless TV show, never to be seen again. Other songs may have some of those elements, but not all.

that one.

additionally, it is ridiculous for someone to win a contest then release a christmas song. it has no longetivity, especially if it turns out to be their only hit.

But none of them have any longevity - it's always their only hit! This is what I'm complaining about. If they released some half decent stuff and actually had a career, I wouldn't begrudge them the Xmas #1 so much.

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If Leona has a greatest hits CD in three years time I shall eat my words, but I'm not banking on it.

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He was Pop Idol wasn't he... back when it was a new and relatively exciting concept, not the complete waste of time that X Factor is

Even Fame Academy produced Lemar and he's still going. They just seem to give them really shite songs on X Factor. Bah

Not my cup of tea obviously but at least Leona has a modicum of talent and a chance of a successful career. It's all down to a) how cynically she is managed and b) whether she actually wants it enough. She strikes me as being probably too wet to survive.

Girls Aloud were on one of those shows and they've been around 4 or so years.

Tourette to win!

He's so rock and roll. Hope he ends up modelling suits for Debenhams like Preston. :D

i like the fact that leona's video is EXACTLY the same as the video made for the american x factor winner, apart from the footage of the artist involved, and seems to be trying to show us what an absolute 24 carat effing genius that closet case cowell is. grr.

*wishes he had a link to prove it*

simon cowell, louis walsh, sharon osbourne - total, TOTAL cunts who know the price of everything but the value of nothing. vile, smug, egotistical parasites without an ounce of musical talent between them.

i was barred from the living room while x factor was on because i would always become reduced to a red-faced ball of spluttering, incandescent rage.

mayhap i should lighten up a smidge.

Girls Aloud were on one of those shows and they've been around 4 or so years.

like I say, it seems to be just X Factor that is incapable of producing anyone vaguely worthwhile. Presumably because of the uselessness of the aforementioned (by Itchen) cunts. Yet it goes on, and on, and on...

To be fair i think Girls Aloud weren't actually the winners. All these shows are pretty pointless unless you're Simon Cowell et al, as the poor saps who 'win' never really make much money from it.

I hate all these every single fucking one of these cringworthy shit waste of time programs.

ah yeah, the boys won didn't they. I actually quite liked that Bee Gees cover they did. *slaps self with wet haddock in shame*

*slaps kate with trout*

Girls Aloud had erm..."balls" and attitude from the start - plus their managment had the foresight to turn the relationship with Xenomania into an ongoing thing. Like it or not, this has resulted in them having produced some quality stuff (in pop terms) over the last 3 years. I somehow doubt that Leona will be allowed to go down such an "edgy" road and unless she gets a break in the US she is doomed to a short chart career.

No - both the girls and the boys "won" Pop Stars The Rivals - the competion was to see which winning outfit would have the Christmas No.1 - Girls Aloud won that at the rate of about 4 to 1.

ahhh. It seems so long ago now...

Not BB related but Simon Cowell pays £15,000/month to Max Clifford to keep his homosexuality out of the papers cos he doesn't want his mum to know!

One final thing on this - yes Leona's video was exactly the same as the Kelly Clarkson version but, given that for the business year 2005-2006 Clarkson was the biggest selling artist of any kind in the entire bloody world, you can see where they are going with it.

The difference is, of course, that Clarkson has a little smidgeon of punk rock about her.

Donny Tourette when entering house putting hand on Leo Sayers head and saying "Alright my son", lol

Vote G-G-Gareth!

Apparently they've been getting bored and playing I-Spy today, at which point Dirk suggested they start drinking. I like him :)

The "Face" Factor.

twat factor

so then...

I repeat, Donny to DIE

Jo, Dirk and Cleo are best

It was the Donny show, him being munted saying to ken russel is your surname dodd.Said to Dirk "that Carol is well into the Face". Donny naked in bed wiff Leo Sayer haha.

Not having heard of one of the list before before I did a search.....

Danielle Lloyd was born on December 16th, 1983 at Liverpool in England. Her claims to fame include being the girlfriend of footballer Teddy Sheringham, posing nude in Playboy, winning the title of Miss England, then the more prestigious one of Miss Great Britain only to be stripped of it, and perhaps most famously she credited Winston Churchill as being the first black president of America. This gem of a faux pax occurred when she was participating in Test the Nation on BBC One. Apparently what fueled this amazing notion in her head was the fact that there is a black statue of Churchill near her house.

With a touch of white from pigeons

Cleo is currently fav with Bill Hill!

http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/buildcoupon.asp

that punk bloke is nothing but a fucking twat wanker.cleo will win the try and be more entertaining than watching paint dry copetition

she credited Winston Churchill as being the first black president of America. This gem of a faux pax occurred when she was participating in Test the Nation on BBC One. Apparently what fueled this amazing notion in her head was the fact that there is a black statue of Churchill near her house.

oh lord

she's the new Helen/Jade/Chantelle/Imogen etc... sadly this means she will probably be popular... ugh

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leo feels thunder in his heart, y'know. shame it ain't agonising stabbing pains, but hey, you can't have it all. where would you put it?

Leoist!

no.

L'Egoiste by Christiane Dior.

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I love Cleo!

Ha ha. That Miss World girl is funny.

'I've never lived in a squalor before!'

Poor Shilpa. Left with boring Jermaine and Snoring Ken.

The Miss World girl made me laugh when she said "They won't be playing any of my songs 'cos I haven't got any" after they played an S Club song.

T not Jazz. Drunk also.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing I would have said and then thought 'Why the fuck did I say that?'

I'm really not looking forward to Jade Goody coming in although I'm hoping public favour will turn against her...It will be interesting to see how fame and money have changed her though.

I expect not much at all...I'd imagine it's kinda hard to disguise the fact you have the brain of a donkey, even if you are rich.

Indeed.

So Donny went over the wall then...

he was a bit up his own arse anyway so no great loss

over the wall ,just like someone else i now !

oh sorry barryella scott i meant over the hill.

right behind ya mate...by a good five years!

life has just begun for me matey ,what did you call me last night definetly over 40 your so cruel. i,ve not got a wrinkly neck though

Leo is such a man-child! Pffff.

Shilpa's gone right up in my estimation after last night's show. That Jackiey is a foul old hag. Jo, Cleo and Dirk are still my favourites though

Favourite quote so far...

Jackiey: "So, Shilpa, do you live in a house or a shack?"

Shilpa: "Well, I have the whole of the seventh floor, actually... there's a lot of money in India..."

there's a lot of money in India

true. although most of it held by a tiny minority of people. majority of the country is extremely poor.

Shilpa came over really well last night in that fight with Jackiey. Totally graceful. She really is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Fantastic hair too.

I thought Jackiey only had the one arm- when she had that makeover, did she get given a fake arm?

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:P @ actionfist

he is right, though. and you know he is.

The intoduction of the Goody clan has turned me right off this - don't mind Jade that much but her mother is just repulsive.

What's a dimella? Classic!

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Great! Inspiring. It will be fun.

i wouldent mind playing hide the sausage with tht indian bit

Don't you mean hide the chipolata?

haha at least i dont wear a vest

Jackiey left with carpet burns exposed and no shoes hehehe

the witch has gone, yay!!

barryella scott checking out wanner in the morning

You look a lot younger there bigmal!

this means war

oooooooo i'm scared :p

smell the glove

I've just spelt my gloves...nothing happened.

smell the glove women , not spell the glove.
ANYAY
what wanner out there can tell me the name of the band that had the album called "smell the glove"

The Tap (Spinal).

Anyone else think that Leo Sayer is just the biggest tosser they've ever seen or heard on TV? Comparing their treatment in the house with Guantanamo Bay, for f*ck's sake, saying they ought to be better looked after because they are "celebrities", going on about how much the public adore him, etc etc. Yuck, yuck, yuck, silly nasty deluded self-important little man.

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lol

I totally agree Jude. He's such a baby (not a very nice one).

I'm most relieved that the disgusting scag bag has been ejected!

hey jude 1.well done on winning the spinal tap comp.your prize shall arrive in the post in a few days.oh come on people leo is a great guy and brought us many many wonderful memories.he is up there with the greats ,perry como, frank sinatra ,elvis,sir cliff richard and leo sayer.jude 1 how dare you call him a silly nasty deluded self-important little man.damn you damn you to hell.hopefully after he wins big brother he will recieve his knighthood.and well deserved it is too.

We could back-date the prize bigmal, and call it a TV?

Down with the Sayer!

I think Cleo seems like a nice woman, and I'm suprised by how likeable the tabloid journo lady is (is it Carol?). What rag does she write for, anyway?

I think it's the Mirror. She does come across quite well, really - maybe a bit pushy with her questions sometimes, but she is a hack after all.

Does anyone think Jade's hissy-fit (sorry, tearful outburst) at her mum's departure last night was a bit OTT?

I think Jade (and her Mum too, although I think there are probably some mental health issues there too) is kind of like an overgrown kid in lots of ways. So when she's upset about something she'll sob and sob like a child would, and when she thinks something she'll just blurt it out whether or not it makes sense or is an appropriate thing to say. That said, she's changed quite a lot since she was in the original BB - she's obviously had, like, media training or somesuch. Overall she's really reasonably likeable, I think.

Her boyfriend is personality-free though. Has he even spoken yet?

Yep, I have to admit Jade has been a pleasant surprise. Jack did say something yesterday but I was sneezing and missed it!

Did you notice how Jacqkieueueiey was referring to Jade as "my little chavvy" yesterday?

"Chavvy" is actually the romany (?) word for child, that's why.

Yeah, I knew that - but it still came as a bit of a surprise.

I'd never heard it actually used before, so that was interesting.

I'm not keen on Carole - she's a terrible know-it-all.

I think in terms of "who would I be able to tolerate and who would I want to bludgeon to death" if I was in the house, the 'tolerate' list would be - Jo, Cleo, Carole. I'm undecided as yet on Shilpa, I think she's a bit of a spoiled madam, but she did come out of the arguments with Jackiey rather well. Plus she's stunningly beautiful.

I think Jermaine has come across pretty well, too - quiet, and probably a bit messed up too, but with his heart in the right place. Shilpa is utterly gorgeous.

Dirk's pretty cool...he's quite funny and unassuming.

Yes, Jermaine too, I'd forgotten him. Seems like a gentle man, and, indeed, a gentleman.

I like the fact that Jermaine has a son called Jermajesty - only Leo truly deserves the baseball bat treatment!

I like the way that Dirk obviously can't *stand* Leo.

Ahhh Dirk. Sexiest 61-year-old ever?

Ewwww. I just Googled "sexy 61-year-olds" in the hope of disproving you. Not a good idea.

No Katemac. Give it a year and that'll be Bowie, no contest. Give it 8 years and it'll be my fella ;-)

OK, sexiest 61-year-old right now then ;)

Fair enough, unless Al Pacino's 61, that is...

Jade said to Jermaine the other day "are you black". The journo should take notes on Jades insightful questions.

She also said that she was mixed race. Is she? She doesn't particularly look it, so I wondered whether she just had used the word incorrectly.

Is she Romany?

Apparently her Dad (who is now dead) was Jamaican.

The lovely Cleo Rocos,reminds of the Kenny Everett show:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOzV9SlyXVQ

I loved little Kenny, I think that's why I love Cleo so much.

I think this was one of the reasons why I liked her!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ymOuriTtM

Ewwwww - you can't say that chavsdad! We know your daughter!

*vomits*

You feeling poorly Ax?
Turn the heating down!

:P

Tell Halcyonlady that I saw a lovely reduced candle the other day in Tesco and suddenly felt rather odd. Bloody parents!!

/cryptic for everyone else in the world

Mind you Ax, you do talk about your ladybits and shaggin and stuff which must be equally as weird for your oldies!

Hold on there missy - don't get me involved!!! (Q: Was it a MandleCandle? How much?)

*objects vociferously to the word 'Oldies'*

come on leo i know that you can do this ,in fact YOU GOT A SWEET WAY OF TALKIN,plus of course YOU MAKE ME FEEL LIKE DANCIN,and then theirs always a chance that IF I NEED LOVE I HOLD OUT MY HAND AND I TOUCH LOVE, and finaly NO I WONT LET THE SHOW GO ON if you dont win i shall put an end to it.

Aaah it doesn't really bother any of us really. We talk about these things all the time anyway.

No, it wasn't a mandle candle, it looked like an embroidered candle. Pretty.

*objects vociferously to the word 'Oldies'*

hehe don't worry about it, i'm nearer your age that I am Ax's I think if that makes you feel any better!

There's a candle website called "something for the wickend". Some people shouldn't be allowed to be in business.

Leo has now walked, leaving Carole vs Dirk for eviction tonight.

Carole had BETTER go

Blimey. Didn't expect Leo to walk. Thought he'd just moan all the time. Don't want Dirk to go.

You get CBB updates on your phone, Kate? :P

nooo... the people on my other board are just very up to date!

Blimey! He must've known he'd be the one to go...

well no apparently he's been going on about how much the public love him!!

The final straw was BB refusing to give him clean pants, apparently :D

From Digital Spy...

Leo, who was up for eviction tonight against Dirk and Carole, has walked off Celebrity Big Brother.

Leo, having been refused a supply of clean underpants by Big Brother, started beating a two-way mirror before grabbing a broom, prising a wall open, and making his escape. The incident was not shown on E4 or the internet live feed.

It is understood that Leo's actions provoked crisis talks among show producers. There was some confusion between 2pm and 2:30pm as to the status of the voting lines; for a short time, voting was suspended but Channel 4 reinstated the voting lines for Carole and Dirk shortly before 2:30pm.

In a short statement, Channel 4 said: "Big Brother can confirm that Leo has left the Celebrity Big Brother house.

"The housemates have been told that he will not be returning to the house.

"Leo's voting line has now been closed.

"Viewers can still vote to evict either Dirk or Carol [sic] in tonight's show."

3 people walking.. is this a record?

Farce descends into yet more farce!!

Apparently Donny wants to go back in. Should he be allowed? I think not.

come on leo i know that you can do this ,in fact YOU GOT A SWEET WAY OF TALKIN,plus of course YOU MAKE ME FEEL LIKE DANCIN,and then theirs always a chance that IF I NEED LOVE I HOLD OUT MY HAND AND I TOUCH LOVE, and finaly NO I WONT LET THE SHOW GO ON if you dont win i shall put an end to it.

what leo has gone .
wwwwaaaaaaaaa waiiilllll its fixed its fixed not fair i tell you
fucken english

I just watched this and the question I've always wanted to know the answer to is "how do Jade, Jack, Danielle and Jo have enough brain power to breath?". The level of stupidity on display is just depressing!

"What's a embryo?" "Will Eskimos become extinct?" Oh someone just SHOOT them...

The end of the show was so upsetting as well! That poor girl! :(

hahaha yes, it's true

I reckon H would've won some brownie points with the voters tho.... went to check odds but they don't seem to be available in the evenings....

At least H seems quite sound but I wish someone would explain to Shilpa that she is facing a quartet of uber chavs in hunting pack mode - absolute fuckwits but dangerous in groups.

yes, it's horrible to watch her tie herself up in knots about it...

I just found this flicking through the BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6265127.stm

that jade is such a stupid fucking bitch.nasty, egoscentric, horrible, racist ,thick, childish.that thing that MISS GREAT BRITAIN what a compete and utter bitch .as much as i hate big brother it is good for one thing ,showing these fucking scum up for what they truly are.i still cant get over leo doing a runner ,now there was a proper gent.this is all your fault barryella scott i can never forgive you.

i saw one the other night and tonight where there did seem to be ignorance related racism related towards shilpa.
The young british women in there are a complete embarrassment to the rest of us.....Cleo seems wicked and though she is trying to be diplomatic I don't want to start thinking of her as spineless for not pointing out that there is a lot to be learnt and to share with a woman from a different culture, especially such a rich one (i don't mean financially for any other jades/danielles out there!) and as a woman it would be enriching to engage with her. I have a short patience for people who are too nicey nicey and just hug everyone. You can say it how it is without being offensive. I do like her very much though - she ouzes a beautiful soul.
I would like to see a young woman in the house from a working class background prove that they too can be engaging, interested in diversity, open minded and able to converse on a higher level.....do you really have to be self-obsessed to go on the show and purely to aid a failing career? surely there are those that tackle it as an interesting behavioural experiment and a bit of a larf..........barf. does anyone know cleo's reason for going in ?

Yeah, sadly Cleo is going down in my estimation... I can see why she wouldn't want to get involved in any conflict as it must be so intense in there, but to sit there listening to Jade spouting all that utter shite and then just come out with "But... we're all nice people in here..." No they're fucking not, woman!! Ugh.

I totally agree with you hfmcvey, i watched BB last night and was totally enraged at Jades treatment of Shilpa -she is an ignorant, half-witted, self-righteous, racist embarasment to Britian. Poor Shilpa she does not deserve to be bullied by a bunch of half-wits, she is out numbered. She is by far the nicest one of the bunch, i like her alot. It was awful to see her in tears, ii wish i could explain to her that she has nothing wrong with her - its the halfwits who are the problem. I wish someone would escort jade out of the building, in one way or another she is the reason this house is the most misrable yet

The one plus point to all this is that the pig is doing a lot of damage to her "image" and her management must be tearing their hair out. I would also hope that Teddy Sheringham will realise what an odious and stupid little girl he has got involved with and dump her immediately - then again, he probably likes them a bit thick.

I think it's completely vile, spiteful bullying behaviour, but is it definitely racist? I didn't see anything that seemed specificially racist on last night's coverage, just mean and excluding and very "bitchy girls at school"-ish.

There have been 2000 complaints now
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6265127.stm

To clarify: I'm certainly not defending them - Jade, Danielle and Jo are all horrible.

i wread in the morning papers that the pig bitch has been dropped by a bullying charity she was the FACE of.wretched little urchin.innit

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JLdy4RL4fD4

Apparently he said "paki". Channel 4 are insisting it was "cunt" but won't show the unbleeped footage to prove it.

Bloody hell! It's gone from 200 complaints to 2,000 overnight!

Someone came on my other messageboard with a link to a petition and encouraging people to complain...

i think its more sheer ignorance rather than meaningful racism - they're not bright enough to be racist for specific reasons - more like taking the piss out out shilpa's accent and her indian cooking, jades mum referring to her as 'the indian' and not putting any effort in to pronounce her name correctly - I did hear jackie get her name right in the beginning but then she just couldn't be arsed after that - which is insulting to anyone of any race. Jade probably thinks india is in west ham anyway.

I think what they are doing here is using Shilpa to bond with each other. When certain people don't know each other very well, they can often use somebody else as a subject, negatively or positively as a conversation point and to establish a relationship. They can really start analysing that outside person without doing it to themselves and gage whether each other will become an friend or foe. Once that is in place, that subject will be used a lot, when the two or more people feel they need to be reassured by their new bond, for example: if they start to enquire about themseleves and each other but feel an uncomfortableness or a clash, they can go back to talking about shilpa which can reaffirm that they are a unit.

When they are slagging shilpa off its actually more about trying to get in with who the are slagging her off too - i think this is especially true of Danielle - she is the one who is most needy in terms of needing to be accepted - and this is her way of doing it. It's all very monkey like and proves that many people haven't really evolved that well.

I have had people try to get to know me by slagging someone else off, offering me a insecure hand of friendship at the same time, and I won't be any part of it. I see straight through it and would rather eat me own spew.
but hey - what do i know.

I hope the viewers see this trio of bitches for what they are, and votes them out - and then that the country has a collective guilt trip about the treatment of "the Indian". Unfortunately I suspect that many of the voting public are as bigoted as Jade, Danielle and Jo.

I'm not 100% sure the abuse last was racist as such - but I'm convinced that the motives behind it were racist. I hope they are ashamed of themselves.

I found it very hard to take watching Jade giving Shilpa a piece of her mind about how fake shilpa is, how her chicken was raw blah blah and at the same time self-congratualing herself for being so 'straight forward' Redusing poor Shilpa finally to tears, then Jade hugging her (i mean how 'fake' is that) and then fucking off as if to say 'good i ve got what i wanted i brought her down' Jade is a very nasty piece of work, she makes my skin crawl.

I think there is a nasty undercurrent of racism, but it's more to do with female jealousy and insecurity. I doubt she'd be getting so much stick if she were plain or chubby.

But even if she was "plain or chubby" she'd still have 10 times the brains and personality of the three of them put together.

Hfmvey, you've put it really well. It's very true that people use bitching to bond with each other. My housemate's just told me that they are going to discuss this in parliament!!

2,000 to 10,000!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6268401.stm

>It's very true that people use bitching to bond with each other.

hehe I know where you read this!

In one of my psych books? Might have been that Psychologies mag that you had at your house too.

jades description of her dream had me in stitches!
She was telling Shilpa about her dream which had Shilpa in it -
Something about Shilpa's family - or was it just cousins......coming into the house and having a go at her for ganging up on Shilpa.....
She basically dreamt of what her and her mum had done to shilpa was happening to her .......and after explaining it all very badly then said, "what a strange dream - how random' was that?"

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1992029,00.html?gusrc=rss&fe...

great article focussing on the race shenanigans. by Germaine Greer and Hari Kunzru.

"The problem is that most of the housemates are too dim to convey what a pain in the ass Shilpa is without appearing to persecute her."
Sometimes I have to admit to loving the way Ms Greer puts things!! She hit the nail on the head numerous times in that article.

Apparently new people go in today - oh erm.....joy?

Oh gawd. Any rumours who? Send in Ms Greer again to sort 'em out, I say!

A few undercover members of the politically correct police, no doubt.

I thought the bit about comparing the terms Paki and Aussie, in terms of how offensive they are perceived to be, was really interesting too.

They should send in Trevor Phillips - chairman of the Campaign for Racial Equality.

Or Teddy Sherinham, to dump his cow of a girlfriend live on TV!

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Paul Merton would be a laugh ...

I find it quite suprising that he would consider it, mind you? Who do you think the American is - could be another Jackson brother???

... or sister ...

I think Germaine is talking bollocks personally, and just trying to be controversial. Comparing "Paki" to "Aussie" is ridiculous.

I don't think Shilpa is doing it deliberately, but even if she is, she's still showed up the other girls to be nasty, ignorant, jealous little cows.

I heard the American was a rapper but I can't remember which one.

I don't agree Kate - she was contrasting the two terms - making the point that one is offensive and the other isn't, and therefore shows respective attitudes towards Australians and Pakistanis. I though it was interesting.

I thought the "you can call someone a dog but not a Paki" comment was also interesting ...

Of course, in India, Bangladesh etc - as well as Pakistan itself - that word is not an insult.

But she isn't Pakistani!

I also object to to the vast majority of couch potatoes out there, Shilpa is a "Paki bird". I don't think that's true at all

I realise that Katemac - and I don't think the 'vast majority of couch potatoes' would call her that - but there is a significant minority of people who use that word to describe pretty much any brown person.

A post on the DigitalSpy forums:

A suggestion for the BB Producers.

Remember in BB4 when Cameron was swapped with the South African house.

Why not swap Jade, Jo and Danielle with the BB India house. They have just started Big Brother over there.

In return we get three polite well mannered Indian celebrities and Shilpa will feel more at home.

The only problem is what happens to house mates when they are evicted from the Indian BB house. I wonder if they will boo them.

Heheheh.

Boo them... or burn effigies of them ....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1247795,00.html

Ja Rule is apparently one of the new entrants.

The only good that can come from this is that fucking ridiculous Jade Goody will never grace the TV or any where else again (fingers crossed). I don't know why, but watching her makes me really angry. I can't watch it any more.

just wanna quickly say that its going to be SO funny when one by one the 3 girls are evicted...they havnt got a clue about the shit storm they have created, right down to being on the front page of every newspaper in India, to the PM discussing it at question time today!!

i expect the biggest BOOOOOO ever

and to think the no-mark Liverpool lass just wanted the world to see the real her...nice one lov.

on radio 5 live they are having an interview now suggesting that this may have a lasting effect on relations between India and England!!!

fucking hell Jade!!

Yeah - can't see OK (with whom the repulsive pig has a long term deal) being too happy about all this - unless they are really cynical and choose to run an "I woz stitched up, I never sed nun ov voze fings bout er" style story - don't be surprised if she pulls through the furore.

Nowt to do with BB but I found just found this on digital spy. Silly trollop.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a41770/janet-street-porter-arreste...

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danielle: "shecarntevernspeakpwoperenglish"

she didn't really say that did she?

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and how will the davina interview be done when these girls get evicted?

"so, apparently you're a racist and the whole country hates you, BUT YOU WERE A QUALITY HOUSEMATE THANGSVERYMUCH DANIEEEEEELLE!!!!!"

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no way. it's getting to the point where i'm beginning to think it's a big elaborate joke/PR exercise that everyone's in on just to get ratings. it's like they know that it's getting loads of coverage in the media so they're saying more terrible stuff to ensure more ratings etc etc

CONSPIRACY!

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I'm with you Joshua - I thought this today about it being a massive PR stunt.

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Jade really is an odious little trollope. I know Shilpa might be annoying, but the things Jade said really were out of order. Danielle and Jo are like silly little kids following Jade. I wish someone would say something to Jade to put her in her place. Jermaine, Cleo, Ian and Dirk are really spineless.
My housemate P is really making me snigger because he's going on about how spineless they all are, yet he was the one calmly making a cup of tea while I was hiding in my room after being attacked by evil housemate G.

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"on radio 5 live they are having an interview now suggesting that this may have a lasting effect on relations between India and England!!!fucking hell Jade!!"
Jade did say "she is one of the 25 most influential people in the world" HAHA ;)

>Odious<
Strange that Ax,odious was the word I used to describe the 'celebrated' Jade.
I'm kinda guessing here - but I would imagine that Jade,Danielle and Jo would be the type of women one would encounter in De Niros, based on the DeNiros Any good thread currently running on Wan.

Prolly.

Did anyone watch today's Big Brain, with Dermott O'Leary and "top psychologist" Gella Richards?
It was shocking, the whole thing was focussed on seeing whether Shilpa was somehow responsible for her treatment. Their inexplicable conclusion was... yes.
A huge victory for anti-bullying campaigners everywhere...

http://www.orange.co.uk/news/topstories/23625.htm?linkfrom=feed_newsan...

I find this quite interesting. I think Jade will be voted out based on what i've read. I've not actually watched any of this, but all the media storm seems to point towards to sheen coming off Jade. I might just have to watch the eviction to see if the booing is as loud as i expect.

oooh, Shilpa vs Jade for eviction! Excellent!!

If Jade does get booed, i'd love to see her expression. Channel 4 don't seem to be condoning any of this though, so i can imagine Davina will be reasonably nice to her.

I bet she'll think she's safe against Shilpa so it'll be a real double whammy :D I can't WAIT

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oh come on people jade is a very special person, she is a glorious ember of light shining brightly for the whole of humanity.she gives me hope for the future of mankind.how can anyone say a bad word against her.they should sack ginger spice and make jade the united nations ambassader for good will (or should that be GOODIE will) a finer upstanding young lady briming of the values that put the great in great britain you will not find.i have just been talking to mr nelson mandella on the phone and he asked me to pass on his best wishes to jade next time i see her.charming gorgeous well mannered and tuned in with today,s young folk the list goes on and on .

Jade would be perfect to front a campaign for the return of the stocks!

I'm actually going to make a point of voting (never usually bother). I'm pretty sure Shilpa will win the whole competition now, as all decent people who watch it will want to make the point, resoundingly, that the majority in the UK are NOT racist gits.

I hope so, anyway....

I think Jade would take offence to an English Shilpa - there is a clash cos you have two people who have CUS (centre of the universe syndrome!!)... an explosive clash cos Jade and Shilpa are both strong characters.
I think the racist remarks are just another thing to throw at Shilpa - it is worrying how it is perceived by the Indian public and the potential opinions that could be formed about the English persona because of the Jade factor.
But bullying is bullying - it should always be taken seriously and not only when the racist card is thrown in.

Me too Jude. Especially if it's true that our political relations with India are being damaged over this!!

I think the thing that has been missed when people make the comment that it's a mirror to british society is that 20 000 people have complained about this. If we were such a racist country there wouldn't be the outcry. There's the argument that it's people's guilt for their own racism that makes them complain, but if you go down that road it's a no win situation...

I also think it's ridiculous that 3 people who clearly are a bit stupid have caused a diplomatic incident. Politicians need to remember it's three idiots, not a nation.

I have haven't bothered with BB after the first series. It is a pile of crap. But this story has got me so riled up that I am going to vote too. Yes, Jude, I also hope that Shilpa wins - not because I want her to win but because, of course, it would improve our international reputation. (It's not just India who are hearing about this...think about the rest of the world who have TVs...) Eeeek!

Yes, this is THREE people's attitudes - three people are not representative of an entire nation. (Totally agree with you about the mirror to society comments...)

Yeah... go Shilpa! I hope the entire Indian community gets voting as well ... my only worry is that Jade and co might still get more votes that the likes of Clio, Jermaine, et al. But if it is Jade vs Shilpa ... game on!

I heard this morning on the news that an Indian official (I forget who exactly) stated that it wouldn't affect diplomatic relations between India and the UK. Also bear in mind that whilst 27,000 have now complained, this is less than 1% than the number of viewers BB has.*

*I based this on a figure of 3 million as it was around this mark before it all kicked off. I wonder how many of those who complained had actually even watched it! I think this whole thing demonstrates much more than how racist some people are.

27000 is a very high number of complaints. It might be a small number compared to the number of viewers, but no show has ever generated that percentage of complaints.

The "Jerry Springer: The Opera" people must be gutted :)

"I also object to to the vast majority of couch potatoes out there, Shilpa is a "Paki bird". I don't think that's true at all"

I agree with you, katemac, that maybe it's overblown to suggest that the 'vast majority' of the population have this opinion. But I have to admit part of the reason that I left my Northern town in Lancs is to get away from the stifling, fixed attitudes about things, particularly to get away from racist views that I encountered plenty of growing up there - racist views towards 'Pakis' (Indian, Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities). Just think of the incidents that have occurred in Oldham and Burnley.
If my eighteen years of experince is anything to go by, I have no doubt that the majority of people living in my home county do refer to Shilpa as that 'Paki bird'. Horrible.

I do not believe that this would be a true statement to sum up the vast majority of 'couch potatoes' in Cambridge and this is part of the reason that I am happier living here.

I agree it is a very large number, and possibly the largest that ofcom has received, but I think the reasons for this are more complex than purely what's happened on BB. I complained to ofcom a few years ago about a program called Dumb Foreigners (ITV 26 June 2004) and that received only 129 complaints but to me, this is far more 'racist' that what has occured on BB.

Agreed. That program was appalling.

Saralina - I also encountered a horrifying amount of that when I lived over in Norfolk, but it was the first and only place I've lived that was like that. I don't think there's any way the majority think like that, let alone the "vast majority". It's just a shame it feels like it in some places!!

Yeah - racism is prob always more rife in more rural places that are not near/within easy reach of any major cities.

ofcom will forecast that for every one person that has complained there must be at least a thousand who havent.

I worry that the attitudes we have - that are in the majority here on this thread for example - ARE the minority though, across the country...

the miss great britain is the one that does my head in the most ,fucking tart bitch.

I can't decide whether I hate her or Jade more...

It will be interesting to see how Jo & Danielle react if Jade is ejected on Friday.
I think they will change their behaviour quite markedly,as it's clear that their allegiance to Jade is only there to bolster their own self esteem & pander to Jade who they obviously see as a bigger celebrity then themselves.
Please note I use the word 'celebrity' loosely.

jade is actually retarded and is very easly led.she has no insight whatevever.but that miss great britain bitch is just nasty pure and simple, this has been obvious ffrom the word go.i can just picture jades reaction at being accused of being racist (what me ,never )bursting into tears yet again like the stupid thing she is.

fuck me .ken livingston wants channel four tacken of air if it doesent aknowledge bb being racist.miss great britain bitch said "shilpa should fuck off back home"

"After the spat, Cleo Rocos told Shilpa: "I don't think there's anything racist in it," but Shilpa replied: "It is, I'm telling you.""

Surely they're gonna have to do something now?

(Taken from http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=2484027)

In one outburst, Jackiey, who constantly called her "the Indian", asked Shilpa: "Do you live in a house or a shack?"

In the latest row, Jade told the actress: "Go back to the slums."

Sounds racist to me.

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Sadly, whether we cultured WANers like it or not, racism is pretty fundamental to the British psyche - we are an aggressive nation and, generally speaking, we do not like, trust or respect anybody else. Jade is an extreme oddity but the likes of Jo and Danielle are, I'm afraid, completely typical of a huge chunk of the population.

It was lovely last night when BB told Danielle that they heard the 'go back home' comment. There was a tiny bit of realisation in her empty little head that she's done wrong but she's probably too stupid to do anything about it. I normally hate BB but find this as addicitive as watching a car crash. I WANT MY LIFE BACK!!

Wonderful to think that Danielle "go back home" Lloyd was once Miss Great Britain. What a fabulous ambassador for our tolerant country she would have made, and what a shame she was stripped of the title for getting them out. If you're as big a fan of Danielle as I am, you'll just love her website, which promises that once in the BB House "you'll get to know the real Danielle"...

http://www.daniellelloyd.co.uk/news.asp

Don't forget to leave your messages of support for Danielle on: myspace.com/danielle_lloyd

What a stupid biatch, I love the fact that these "celebs" are obviously in the house to enhance their careers, and they are ruining them !!!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

I bet all comments have to be approved first on her myspace page. *goes to check*

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how pleasing!

Ha Ha - check this out - http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&frien...

well it looks like carphone warehouse has now suspended its sponsorship of the show

Good on the Carphone Warehouse... that should concentrate a few minds at Channel 4.

is that official?

think so - http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/commerce/servlet/gben-server-PageServ...

Good news. I think Channel 4's attitude to this has been a bit off.

Yeah right!

However a spokeswoman for Goody, 25, who had an explosive row with Shetty on Wednesday, has denied she is a racist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6274881.stm

Ha ha ha, i kinda think anything involving Jade Goody will turn sour.

Channel 4 admitted there had "undoubtedly been a cultural and class clash between her and three of the British females in the house."

Is a cultural clash the diplomatic way of saying that they've got a problem with her being indian?

Oh dear! Seems Channel 4's reactions to their behaviour has not done them any favours. Wonder what they'll do. I think they thought this would just bring them more ratings.

Guess that means we won't be seeing any more of mowbli before and during BB.

This just gets better and better - I wonder whether they will make the pig do the public walk of shame on Friday - all a bit too "Running Man"!

Could this be the end of Big Brother, final twist in the story.....throw Nick Griffin in to bump up the viewing figures a bit more.

I'm curious as to how they're gonna report the sponsorship-dropping on channel4 news

Straight up I reckon.

They could follow the BBC's example. The Beeb has a great way of reporting on itself in the third person.

They did report on big brother controversy on Ch4 News yesterday and apparently no one was available for comment yesterday!

I can see Channel 4 ensuring that the voting on Friday goes in favour of removing the problem for them.
'Bolts the stable door' springs to mind

If they remove Jade then Jo and Danielle will keep their mouths shut.

I don't think that Channel 4 will actually need to do anything to "help" the voting.

No, me neither. Well i think we can take a while stab in the dark over who'll win now. I wonder what the odds are now.

Although i rarely watch this purile drivel, i don't think it's a case of racisim here - more about a few undereducated, ignorant, bigoted has-beens demonstrating that the cult of 'celebrity' and its dimwitted adherents are as empty as the minds of those mouthing their ill-judged bile. That, and maybe the fact that Shilpa is drop-dead gorgeous, classy, educated, and clearly no threat to their miniscule self-esteem.

If she's that classy and well educated, why the hell did she sign up to BB???

from pop bitch...

Since Jade Goody shot to fame on Channel 4
she has had the same management as Celebrity
Big Brother host Davina McCall, and both
Big Brother spin-off show hosts, Dermot O'Leary
and Russell Brand, as well as last year's
Celebrity Big Brother winner Chantelle.
So is it any surprise that C4 and CBB
producers are so reticent about condemning
the racist bullying, led by Jade, on their
show? They have their own interests to protect.

At a guess, TC, her agent may have persuaded her it would be good publicity for her Bollywood career and gain her more exposure in the UK. Could also be downright opportunistic though!

self promotion at any cost, do you think so....surely not from a big brother contestant?

Shilpa was apparently misled into believing that there would be genuinely big stars taking part rather than the fag ends she has ended up with - also, she is being paid £300K which I would think is helping her to deal with the situation!!

Apparently Hertfordshire Police have launched a criminal investigation into an alleged case of racial abuse, after receiving 30 complaints from members of the general public.
The police are reviewing the tapes of the show. (poor sods)

I'm sure the BNP are rubbing there collective, grubby little hands together at the thought of getting Jade as a spokesperson.

It will be VERY interesting to see how tonights programme is edited...

Channel 4's obviously trying damage limitation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6277301.stm

jade is mixed race?

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1919078.ece

Her dad was Jamaican i think. She's actually not come across as badly as Danielle on the racism angle. She just looks like a bully.

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I agree

is it eviction night tonight?

yep!
I wonder which pubs will have it on their TVs *cough*

I asked if they would mind putting it on in the Portland and was almost lynched :(

This is most definitely racist bullying. Until last night's show I thought it was just bullying with a slight undercurrent of racism but after Jade referring to Shilpa as "Shilpa Fuckawalla, Shilpa Daroopa, Shilpa Poppadom" I think it's fair to say she's crossed a line.

Channel 4 made a massive deal yesterday of the fact that Shilpa had said "I don't think what she said to me was racist", they sent out preview tapes to every newspaper, TV and radio programme to 'prove' that even the victim did not think it was racist. I'm sure, on reflection, Shilpa didn't think that WHAT WAS SAID TO HER was racist, but I'm pretty sure if she had been party what has been said ABOUT HER, behind her back, then I'm pretty sure she would find see that it was absolutely racist.

Jade said in the diary room that she promised that what she said was not said in a racial way. Well, then that makes it all ok then, right? How the hell else was it if it wasn't racist?

Danielle has shown herself up to be nothing more than a lying, two-faced bitch.

Regardless of anything else, any other angle, the fact that should be highlighted by this whole debacle is that BULLYING, IN ANY FORM, IS WRONG. This, sadly, has been overlooked because of the racism angle. I am appalled by racism, but I am equally appalled by the bullying that has been shown on this programme. How ironic that Jade has been dropped as the face of an anti-bullying campaign.

I'm not wholely convinced that channel 4 won't fix the votes tonight so that Shilpa goes. That way they can use the "it can't have been that bad because she still got voted out" angle. Just a thought.

I have only watched Wednesday and Thursday's shows in full and I have to say I have nevere been so ashamed to be a british woman in my life!

Did anyone else think that the conversation shown at the end of last night's coverage between Jade / Danielle / Jo seemed very staged? I think they'd had a "quiet word" given to them by the Producers and were told they had to have a conversation that said "Oh no, we are not racists, it is just class differences" or whatever. It seemed a bit deliberate to me, as did Shilpa saying, in the diary room, that she retracted her earlier comments about racism.

I think Jade will DEFINITELY go tonight. I'll be furious if she doesn't.

I'm actually quite shocked at Channel 4's way of dealing with this. I thought far better of them. On reflection i think people (and i think i've made this mistake) have been quick to say 'jade's dad is black, so she can't be racist'. Jamaican, Chinese, English, American, Asian, whatever, everyone can be racist. It's about picking on someone for being of a different race. If Jade's dad was Indian, i wonder if Jade would have made the comments?

I hope i made some kind of sense...

Absolutely Jude. I don't think it was staged by the producers but by the girls themselves. They've obviously all been spoken to about this and have subconsciously (or maybe even consciously) decided to to some damage limitation themselves.

meanwhile, asian shopkeepers across britain wearily repair another broken window, all the while wondering why questions are not being asked in parliament about the way they get treated every day. oh yes, of course. they're not rich, they're not a "celebrity", they're not on the fucking telly and sticking up for them won't get an mp any media coverage.

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Yup, absolutely true - sadly.

*nods in agreement*

Well yes, although there is also the argument that the fact that it is now all over the media, courtesy of what's happened on BB, will "raise awareness" of racism as a generally VERY BAD THING, and encourage anti-racism (and yes, also ANTI BULLYING) campaigns etc etc?

Yeah, I'd like to think that something positive will come out of it in this way Jude.

That's the line that C4 is taking, isn't it? That they should be applauded for doing us all such a public service in bringing this issue to the forefront.
I've also heard that the proceeds from tonight's vote are gonna be donated to charity? Not sure about that though.

something positive - public lynchings for all who volunteer to appear on big brother?

just a thought.

... but I'm just a hopeless liberal (small l) idealistic optimist, so I'm no doubt wrong about this...

*skips away picking flowers in a beautiful multicultural melting-pot world of her own*

Lynching doesn't really have the ongoing satisfaction of the stocks - the Drunkard's Cloak, Scavenger's Daughter and Heretic's Fork are all good fun as well!!

Rhythm Jr is doing a project on Tudor crime and punishment - they certainly knew how to deal with badduns back then!!

Goody has since apologised to the actress, saying she does not judge people "by the colour of their skin".

She insisted she "didn't say Shilpa Poppadum in a racial way".

*coughs*bollocks*coughs*

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shame. i had my sniper's rifle cleaned all specially, like.

has anyone passed comment on the leaked email from danielle's agent to danielle before she went in the house?

It contains the odd piece of advice....

3. don’t be racist — show you’re bigger than that. If you have a strong opinion about something give your reasons for it.

not a piece of advice i've ever been given - nor would expect to be given.

it's almost as if this is a problem that the agent's had to address before...

Edit: source and filling out detail.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,11049-2007030151,00.html

I have just read that Bradley from S Club 7 has commented that Jo was bullied so badly at school that she contemplated suicide. This just makes me loathe her more. Apparently Jade was bullied for being mixed race.

Do these girls honestly not see that what they are doing amounts to bullying? If they have been victims of it themselves, especially, to the point of contempleting suicide, surely they can't think that they're going to walk out of that house and say "oh, i didn't mean it in a bullying way" and expect to be taken seriously.

Makes me so angry.

The anti-bullying campaign that Jade has supposedly been dropped from have put a statement on their website in big red letters saying that Jade Goody has never been involved in their charity in any way and they have condemned her behaviour (the founder's daughter was bullied in the same group way). If anti-bullying charities are taking steps to ensure that these pathetic bitches are in no way connected with their organisation, surely that proves that they are just bullies.

I hope they are all ripped apart once they're evicted. I hope the media crucifies all three of them.

Also, why are their families and friends saying things like "I can't believe Jo/Danielle/Jade would bully anyone, they've been victims of it themselves, it's not in their nature, etc"

It has been broadcast on national television for the past week just what bullies they are. They can't possibly deny what they can see/hear with their own eyes/ears.

Why - unless she's an ingrained, bona-fide RACIST, would Danielle's agent feel the need to "remind" her not to be racist on the show? I'm beginning to think she's the worst of the three...

VOTE SHILPA!!

I really think people are getting quite hysterical about all this. It's really nothing worse - in the bullying sense - than what's go on on BB before. Look at the way Pete Burns talked to the American baywatch woman last year. He was vicious and took great pleasure in reducing her to tears. This sort of shit goes on all the time. It's hardly a new phenomenon. I'm not saying that it's alright in any shape or form, but a bit of perspective is needed in my view.

I think the Danielle thing resulted from a comment she allegedly made about the girl who took her place as Miss GB.

I wonder whether West Ham will play Teddy this week - may well have other things on his mind!

Apparently there's not gonna be a live audience tonight.

I was equally as appalled at Pete Burns' et al's bullying in last year's CBB. I will not tolerate bullying in any shape or form. There is not really any perspective other than a zero tolerance on all bullying. It's not hysterical to be openly appalled at this kind of behaviour, racist or otherwise.

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No I agree. I'm just very aware that this has turned into a media frenzy and this tends to distort peoples view.

heh heh in Danielle do's and don'ts from her agent there was this:

get your hands dirty (not literally!)

Do you think if they hadn't added the 'not literally' part she would of just gone and stuck her hands in the garden?

LOL @ The Friday Thing

The ugly scenes and quasi-racist comments prompted TFT to offer some advice to those involved in the controversy...

1) If you're a minor celebrity, use 'Celebrity Big Brother' as an opportunity to win new fans. Do this by behaving like the sort of mental chav bird who glasses complete strangers in nightclubs after 25 Smirnoff Ices.

2) And you might want to appear even more likeable by screaming at an attractive, polite and articulate woman during an unfathomable argument about Oxo cubes.

3) If, like housemate Jo, you have a limited understanding of other cultures, do take the opportunity of meeting an Indian woman to ask questions about their country, e.g., 'Are Indian people thin because they don't cook food properly?' While you're at it, you might want to find out whether all black people are criminals, if 'Oriental' women have crooked vaginas, and whether all Jews have great big noses and run gangs of child pickpockets.

4) If you're in charge of a deliberately controversial and 'edgy' TV channel, justify broadcasting the racist rambles of a group of imbeciles by claiming you've exposed the latent racism of British society. Take this idea to its logical conclusion with an unedited, hour-long nightly show in which members of Combat 18 expound their racial theories and broadcast the home addresses and phone numbers of members of The Anti Nazi League.

5) And if you're a government minister, a humble MP or just an ordinary Indian citizen with a bit too much time on your hands, be sure to immediately overreact to some fuckwits on a reality TV show as though it's the Cuban Missile Crisis. Who knows, you might even get on TV!

Yes, I've just been reading mine and you beat me to posting that kate!

Some classics from Jade...

Jade asks Spencer if he punts boats on the River Thames.
Spencer: "No, I work in Cambridge."
Jade: "I know I'm from Bermondsey and I know that's London, but where is Cambridge?"
Spencer: "It's in East Anglia."
Jade: "Where's East Angular [sic] though? I thought that was abroad."

"The Union Jack is for all of us, but the St George is just for London, isn't it?"

"I knew Lynne was from Aberdeen but I didn't realise Aberdeen was in Scotland."

"What's asparagus? Do you grow it?"

"I am intelligent, but I let myself down because I can't speak properly or spell."

To Jonny when the others were complaining about him while he was lying in bed: "You'll interiate." (As opposed to "deteriorate".)

To PJ after he revealed he knew someone who kept pet peacocks: "You see those things... don't think I'm being daft... but them things that look like eyes, are they their real eyes?"
Jade picks up a photo of PJ on holiday by the sea.
Jade: "Is that where you live?"
PJ: "Yeah, Birmingham seaside."
Jade: "Have they not got seasides in Birmingham?"

"Jonny, I'm not being tictactical in here"

Tim suggested Jade move to the US, to which she replied: "They do speak English there don't they?"

"It's Mona Lisa who's symmetrical, innit?"

When asked by Big Brother to name two vegetables in the garden: "Strawberries and spuds".

"Rio de Janeiro, ain't that a person?"

"They were trying to use me as an escape goat."

"Do they speak Portuganese in Portugal? I thought Portugal was in Spain."

On the final day, in the garden: "Are they really filming us out here? I look like a state."

My favourite is the 'escape goat' *sniggers*

Why not just not watch it... ?

Surely that would be the most suitable form of protest....?
You mostly seem to enjoy bitching about these people almost as much as they enjoy being bitches?

BB doesn't say shit about anything of any importance and the real embarassment is that sensible people pay it any attention at all.

*steps back and waits for attack*

Surely ignoring it is not the best solution when there are accusations of racism involved which are threatening to affect the country as a whole.

BB has nothing to do with the country as a whole...

Its a couple of brainless celebrities.

This thread says a hell of alot more about this country..
and it has wit and a fairly liberal attitude...

Should we take each countries BB as a measure of their evolution?

Burn the television

It's clearly the most important thing happening in the world at the moment or, perhaps, ever!!

Come forth little television minions.. let us dance and make merry, drink firewater and rejoice anew in the restless beauty of nature's bounteous bosom... defy these false idols, cast down the remote control that can do not but return thee to neanderthol, and bath your atrophied limbs in a mountain stream resplendent in your naked form imbibing the fruits of the earth...

I have 2 episodes and that was only because I wanted to watch and make up my own mind about it rather than just go by what I have heard on the news.

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BB has nothing to do with the country as a whole...

It will do if it damages relations between us and India.

Pete Burns said to the black actress last year some odious things like "you L.A. whore" and doing an impression of her bent over and saying "Daddy f*ck me" and *lick my raw haemorhoids". But because he is a freak he/she, he got away with it. Media frenzy at the moment.

Maybe, but, like I said, I wanted to make up my own mind about it, which I have. You're absolutely right though. If BB hadn't already been signed up until 2010 or something then I would agree that switching off might change things, but I doubt it would.

What i saw of last year's big brother appalled me then. I watched about 5 minutes last year and made a point of watching even less this time.

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I think they should evict Jade into the house next door and stick Pete Burns in there with her

What on earth did Jade mean when she said 'my claim to fame is meeting you you fucking loser'?
How is that an insult?

*confused*

I think that was her twisting what Shilpa said to her!

I guess maybe she meant it as a question but didn't get the intonation right?

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Shilpa said to Jade "your claim to fame is this" - meaning being on Big Brother. Jade either interpreted it (or twisted it) as "your claim to fame is arguing with me".

OOOH I can't wait....

I CAN'T F****** BELIEVE C4 HAVE BANNED THE BAYING CROWD! They're giving Jade an easy ride because she shares the same agent as Davina, Dermot and Russell. Boooo! It's not like she was at risk of getting lynched...

She'll find out what everyone thinks soon enough - they can't hide all the newpapers from her.

On second thoughts, can she read?

They haven't legalised chav-hunting yet.

What a fantastic concept!

I thought someone would say something like that. The simplest unit of human society is the lynch mob, as has been shown not only by occurences in the CBB house, but also by much of the reaction to them.

Of course, but it would be immense fun - I despise these people and would derive great pleasure from hunting them!

........preferably while riding an elephant!

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Here's Jade's new perfume advert ...

Hahaha, like it. You know some perfume stores have said they are not going to stock this any more, don't you?

Yes, Jude1. Shame, eh?

Yeah, Debenhams have pulled it from all their stores.

jade don't care wot yoo lot fink:

[BIRDSONG]

Jo: ...no-one looking after me

Jade: I'll have a word with John.

Jo: They could have written anything about me now.

Jade: No, that doesn't matter in all fairness, and if they have... you can... there is always a way that you can justify it and you can do it and that’s why. I'll have a word with John because John’s the agent but then Catherine’s the publicist who...

[BIRDSONG]

Edit to add clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDcHgjtBe18

a mate sent me this and i like it so much i'm posting it here:

There's a plexiglass tunnel linking the BB house to the studio where the interview will take place. Jade will be wearing her radio mike and that is the only source of sound available to us. An unseen cameraman will follow her but will not speak. She will say "Oooh, dis a bit diffrent innit?" and step out into the tunnel. Further inanities will be offered as we follow her along it. There is no crowd to be seen through the tunnel walls - just a long row of police officers in full riot gear. A very distant sound of booing and screeching.

Jade will say "Wos appnin? Wah dun't thay lark may? I nevah dun nuffin wrong! Dis is paffetick!"

She will reach the end of the tunnel and emerge into the studio. No audience, just Davina standing there. Jade will face Davina. An eternity will seem to pass. Then Davina will slap Jade hard in the face.

"You nearly lost me my job, bitch."

Davina turns to face the camera and tries to start the next link. But Jade jumps on her back and tries to strangle her. Davina responds with several hard blows to the side of Jade's head, causing her ear to bleed. Two security people rush in with tasers and try to zap Jade, but she overpowers them, kicks one in the nuts and runs back into the tunnel. The cameraman runs in after her. We see her running back toward the house and hear the cameraman shouting "You're not allowed to go back in there!"

Jade turns on him: "Fack off!" She kicks him to the ground, takes the camera and runs off with it. We see a shaky image of the tunnel floor and Jade's feet.

Jade then arrives in a room in the BB house that she's never seen before. In the corner, stood facing the wall, is Leo Sayer. Jade calls to Leo, but before she has a chance to approach him, the camera is dashed from her hand by an unseen force and footage of the floor runs for 30 seconds before cutting to black.

Next week: Russell Brand steals the rhythms of a voodoo-practising African prince for his nightclub act featuring a jazz trio and pays the ultimate price.

I just LOVE the way Jon Snow got her name wrong by calling her Jane Goody - Classic.

Saw about 20 minutes of it last night, first time I've watched it since I saw a single episode of the first series...

Hmmmmm

Davina seems to have a bit of a 'tude on her...

So did Jade get voted out? Tell more about Davina's 'tude...

Yes she did. Davina was quite defensive initially, but this seemed to morph more into an unhappy resignation as the program went on, and they kept cutting back to her before and after the breaks.

Unhappy resignation? What at? That people thought Jade was a twat?

At the course of events I guess.

Danielle's been dumped.

By Teddy? Ooh...

"from a lucrative modelling contract".

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleID=1982245&...

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_headline=dani-loses-model-job&met...

By Teddy Sheringham as well...
http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds11841.html

C4 bosses to consider axeing Big Brother

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2558326,00.html

Apparently Jade is on suicide watch - I am trying to find a link to the news

What was that all about with Cleo's little performance, on yesterday's highlights show, then? It was almost like she thought "right, things have calmed down a bit now, there doesn't seem to be much conflict going on, I know - I'll wind Dirk up lots and stir loads more tension up all over again". Irritating.

Apparently Jade is on suicide watch - I am trying to find a link to the news

Her PR company's latest attempt at making the public feel sorry for her?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/celebritybigbrother/article-23382340-det...

dammit you beat me to it...

Dirk said something like "if i'd have done that, they'd have kicked me out"
hell, yeah, what gives cleo the right to go that far?
you may say he deserved it. he's only ever teased, and been a comedy king! shilpa or danielle have never once shown any feelings against his flirting, is cleo just jealous or something?
admittedly, he didn't need to turn on the whole house by smoking indoors but it was nice to see him cooling off by the end of the day

Who d'you think is going to go tonight? I'm really hoping it will be Jo, but suspect it may be Cleo.

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Ah, I'd not realised that. Okay, p'rhaps so then. It's a shame Danielle wasn't one of the nominees, would have been best if her and Jo both went.

Definitely Jo, then either Cleo or Dirk I think... I'm PRAYING not Shilpa :(

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Shilpa's going to win it. Hope so anyway.

If it was vote to save I'm sure she'd be fine, but there are still people who don't like her and I'm a bit worried her fans' vote will be split between the others :/

I'm hoping cleo will win as i have money on her.

@ Katemac - I would have thought *most* Shilpa-fans would vote to evict Jo, as she was one of the main bitchy/racist/anti-Shilpa gang?

I think I'm going to vote again this week (to evict Jo).

Yeah Jo will definitely be first out, but what about second - if all Shilpa's fans only vote for Jo, there might be enough Shilpa haters to get her out second...

Do'h - brain like a sieve. I'd forgotten (again) that there were two evictions, despite being told so about five minutes ago on this thread ;-)

crikey I thought i'd killed this thread.

personally i think Jo and Cleo will go - I don't think there are enough shilpa haters and most people are probably on dirk's side with cleo.

Jude. It's a double eviction, by the way.

So, which single housemate d'you think's going to go tonight (just the one).

;-)

hehe

I hope you're right, Barnesy

I put a couple of quid on Dirk and Cleo to win back at the start but I've given up hope of that now!

I've gone right off Cleo. She just tells everyone how great they are, she was even going on about what a "wise" person Jack was the other day. Wise? He probably couldn't even *spell* the word...

I read about that! Possibly the most stupid and ignorant man to have ever existed, WISE?

I couldn't help being evilly amused at her failure in the "make Big Brother laugh" task as well, after spending hours getting her costume ready :D

Yeah, I mean, it's nice to be nice to people and all that, but to think EVERYONE is really great is just a bit dumb really.

Yes, me too. Although, that whole episode was cringe-inducing in the extreme, with them all desperately trying to be funny.

I loved Jermaine though. SHAKE IT! :D

I'm giggling now, remembering that!

jo and cleo are ooot.hey barryella scott if you ever bet on the grand national please let me know,so i know who not to bet on.

Danielle will hopefully hear "Get Danielle out" when Davina mics up in BB house sunday then out.

and....BREATHE

I missed the final last night. Can anyone give me a potted summary?

Jude, I'm disgusted!

Jack and Danielle came out. Jack said next to nothing, Danielle admitted she has learnt not to be such a bitch, and said that Shilpa would probably be very understanding as she was a good person. Newsreel shown again.
Ian came out. fnarr. The first exit without any boos, he loved it. Paper headlines shown again.
Dirk came out, no boos, and cracking interview.
Jermaine came out, man that guy is such a dude, he loves everyone and we love him.
Shilpa came out. Shown video evidence of bitchyness. As predicted, she was very cool, calm, and forgiving, and openly stated that Jade is not a racist.

Then, twas Dawn of the Dead.....

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Thanks Barnesy. I'm very glad it was in that order - pretty much as I would have wanted. Twas a shame to miss the grand finale, but, y'know, drinking beer takes priority!

The whole "Forgive them for they know not what they do" thing is just a bit too smug!!

yeah but Donnie whathisface said that and he's a knob

Oh God - did he? I just saw Shilpa's face on TV this morning with "Forgive Them" as the subtitle - just made think that she must truly be the son of God!!

She really didn't come across like that at all - just very sweet, graceful, dignified and a healthy dollop of niavity to make it even more real. I can understand how she irritated people in the house, but really, her values are the way she conducts herself, are incredibly admirable. And if she's able to halt this hate campaign against Jade et al, and somehow shame the media for the way they've stirred this race thing up, even better.

Agreed! I think the lass has a lot of integrity.

Agreed here too. I'm very glad she won and thought she was fabulous in her exit interview - showed that it wasn't just the race thing that made people vote for her.

Actually BS, I quite agree. I thought she came across really well but I'm a bit concerned about what the media over here might try to do with her.

Having said that, I suspect that under the giggling and the naivity lies a resolve of steel - good luck to her.

just very sweet, graceful, dignified and a healthy dollop of niavity to make it even more real.

she was fabulous in her exit interview

thought she came across really well

would it be terribly remiss of me to point out that shilpa shetty is an actress?

and therefore nothing she says or does can possibly be genuine? :P

anyway, the clips I've seen of her films seem to consist entirely of dancing, miming and grinning inanely

You skeptical or cynical IF?

and therefore nothing she says or does can possibly be genuine? :P

therefore anything she says in an interview, particularly one almost guaranteed to boost her career, should be treated with extreme skepticism. c'mon, this big brother has proved beyond the beyond how much the tv audience is manipulated by the programme makers. you'd be daft not to be a teencey weencey bit dubious.

I've never seen it. It doesn't interest me in the slightest. Sounds tacky and is by all accounts you see in news clips etc. Makes you worry about the growing masses of mindless zombies who feed on this kind of stuff tho.

"I've never seen it. It doesn't interest me in the slightest. Sounds tacky and is by all accounts you see in news clips etc. Makes you worry about the growing masses of mindless zombies who feed on this kind of stuff tho."

*reverts to Baz's nipple thread*

i was reading that important suday paper yesterday whats it called oh yes "the sunday sport" that jade goody,s pr team is to turn jade into the next "princess diana" appharently jade is going to use her fame to help the worlds children and the poor.well thats that sorted then.

Anyone know if Sunday's programme is going to be repeated at all?

interesting...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2001089,00.html

i was reading that important suday paper yesterday whats it called oh yes "the sunday sport" that jade goody,s pr team is to turn jade into the next "princess diana"

*resists temptation to make "dying in a car crash" joke*